Currently Playing - Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (PS3). Note that some things may change slightly between now and the release of Magic Origins so the final word on how Liliana, Heretical Healer works will be in that set's FAQ documentation. Liliana Deck that discards and Zombies. . I've been tinkering with a [[Liliana heretical healer]] list for a while now. With Heretical Healer I get to choose when to flip her, which usually means I have all my mana at my disposal to protect her when she turns into a planeswalker. The next rule, 603.6d, explains how "leaves the battlefield" triggers (and a few others) are handled, and is the basis for my first post. This site is unaffiliated. 5 years ago. Posted by. However, since the trigger is from the Liliana that was on the battlefield, it is looking to exile that Liliana from the battlefield. This saves mana and the need for a real reanimator spell one turn later. Need the relevant rules citations. If you do, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token. Are you 7 years old and have trouble counting to large numbers like three? This is my starting list if anyone wants to try it out or offer suggestions. However, because the ability triggered from the battlefield, the "Liliana, Heretical Healer" it's referring to is the object that used to be on the battlefield. 118. Lili: In the case of Liliana, Heretical Healer, the first part of resolving the trigger is to exile her, then return her to the battlefield transformed. Someone just brought this up, seems legit actually. A "dies" trigger is a special kind of "leaves the battlefield" trigger. Liliana, Heretical Healer: She Will BLOW Your Mind Commander / EDH Aikido Control Discard Mono-Black Reanimator Theme/Gimmick M a g i c a l H a c k e r Over 10 of my creature base are self-reliant when it comes to sacrificing itself and enabling the Liliana flip. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. Play Ardenn once more, don all of that equipment yourself, and go for the kill! Thanks for the quick response! Thanks, was trying to explain that to someone and they were citing Angelic Destiny as justification for her ability tracking her across the zone change (because AD doesn't specify it's own destruction like Rancor does), but I found the relevant ruling that covers that too. <3 Azusa. . A buddy of mine is building Marchesa and it looks like a fair number of what you'd want in that deck (or Savra, for that matter) would work here, too. Liliana, Heretical Healer is our commander because the +2 on her flip side provides us with a continual source of hand disruption from the command zone. . That object doesn't exist anymore, so the ability will do nothing as it resolves. An ability that triggers when a card is put into a certain zone from anywhere isnever treated as a leaves-the-battlefield ability, even if an object is put into that zone from thebattlefield. The one thing I don't have much of is things that Lili herself can reanimate, so any good suggestions are much appreciated! I think a pretty good foundation now but need help with the final few … Sony bought Konami and will release a DDR game for the Nintendo 3DS. Help | Updated Jun 04, 2019 by Lynnaquinn using our MTG Deck Builder. Not changing this line until the Undertaker retires (3/7/10). Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, exile Liliana, Heretical Healer, then return her to the battlefield transformed under her owner's control. Note that the "an ability that attempts to do something to the card that left the battlefield..." part of 603.6c doesn't apply to this situation because Liliana isn't the object that triggered the ability. Liliana, Heretical Healer may just be a 2/3 creature with lifelink, but she flips into Liliana, Defiant Necromancer, and bring a Zombie along.. That's not as good as turn three Primeval Titan. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. 603.6d Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions. Continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. Feeds | [ORI] Liliana, Heretical Healer // Liliana, Defiant Necromancer. An ability thatattempts to do something to the card that left the battlefield checks for it only in the first zonethat it went to. Single target discard like [[Thoughtseize]] serves as combo protection and discard outlet. Liliana, Heretical Healer is absolutely busted in EDH.